To my mind the real gap is not the people or the ideas, it is how we collect and curate the knowledge and enable peer to peer sharing.
A couple of us in different parts of the world are talking together about what the information architecture would look like and what platform might be best.
This sort of functionality - https://thewaternetwork.com/ - could be good if it was simpler, cleaner and more social. Does anyone have know of any good systems or examples we could explore?
Hello all and thank you for an inspiring project!
I’m in the https://openfoodnetwork.org community, a global collaborative commons effort for food systems. I would just like to share what tools we use and which together forms our “collaboration platform”:
We use Discourse for discussions (https://community.openfoodnetwork.org) as here and Slack for immediate chat. Have looked into https://rocket.chat/ and https://www.mattermost.org/ for open source alternatives to Slack.
Google Drive to collect documentation. A wiki could be added here as a complementary repository. A good example for gathering open design knowledge is of course Appropedia.
Github as repository and revision handling for code and design (https://github.com/openfoodfoundation/openfoodnetwork). We mostly write software but I think something like Wevolver could be looked into for hardware designs.
We try to use Trello for project management.
We are looking into using Loomio for decision making (https://www.loomio.org/g/9yMBwXm7/open-food-network-global), Cobudget for collaborative budgeting and Open Collective for collaborative accounting.
We would of course want more of these to be open source but need to have a pragmatic approach to get things done, and look for and support open source alternatives when they arrive. I guess you all know most or all of these tools but I just wanted to share how we work 
I don’t know if a “silver bullet platform” is feasible, but rather a collection of tools. @Cindy do you know what software is behind the Water Project platform?
@Cindy 
I have given a LOT of thought to the syntax (I have a background in both linguistics and IT data etc - which is handy!) though I am still playing with structure. There is an example file on http://www.untiednations.com/XML/sosmeeting1.xml, if you view source you can see the data file.
I’ve spent the morning drawing up a sort of flow diagram below.
@sigmundpetersen feel free to use this syntax for exploring your Issues, Proposals etc. A couple of reasons why I developed this syntax.
I was in a group trying to address a single Issue. We had three very different Proposals and tried to meld them - it was a mess - I call this the three fishermen problem. Mixing three types of bait and standing an and out of the water is not the best way to catch fish. All fish require different techniques (apologies to non-fish-eaters for this blunt analogy). So SOS allows for many Proposals.
I also notice that many decision making techniques or tools do not look at what Issues are actually being addressed. I call this the ambulances at the bottom of the cliff problem - they may be needed but at some point someone has to ask "are they jumping, falling or being pushed - and why?"
SOS encourages examination of the Causes, Issues and Effects - not just the symptoms.
Loomio is great but it fails on both (Issues and multiple Proposals) counts. Kailo does handle pros and cos well but not Issues. Neither (none that I know of) are easy to share globally, search and copy/extract data for reuse - which, in my opinion is what we desperately need.
OFN FTW! Amazing stuff.
Have you come across Farm Hack and L’Atelier Paysan? There seems to be a natural synergy there.
Hey Signmund!
Do you know Cynthia Reynolds and Andy Bennett of OFN? Andy actually came to Cape Town and we hung out for a night. Check out the Greenhouse climate battery hack, which regenerative architect Michael Thompson and Permaculturalist Jerome Osentowski are helping me to design for my open source cicular ecohome project I’m building in Cape Town.
I’m trying to build this green house and grow a 7 layer succession food forest with mango, banana, pineapple, avocado, nut trees to show people how to grow a tropical food forest in a Mediterranean climate.
We’re doing a Nexus design approach taking into consideration the Water-Energy-Food nexus (and urine for “waste”)
Hi @sigmundpetersen, no I don’t know what The Water Network runs off. But hey, your systems are really impressive! I know Open Food Network, I have been following you guys for a couple of years. Huge congrats for all you have done.
Wow @William, your diagram is great. And what a great skillset you have for this sort of challenge. I’m really humbled and honored to be in the company of both you and Sigmund. This is 10,000x better than anything I dreamed was possible!
William, Sigmund, I imagine a combination of your models would work well for what @Kieara_Gunn and I have been discussing is needed for Cape Town and also the world.
This need is to collect the best knowledge and the lessons learnt from water restoration projects globally these last 30 years, to inform the development of their game plan for their Cape Town project. The objective would be to assemble recommendations to inform both the team on the ground and their expert advisers. @Johndliu, Michal Kravcik, Walter Jehne and Olivier Omas have all volunteered their support and assistance.
Ideally, I think case studies, recording specifically identified fields, would be a good foundation. I think we also need to catalog video, audio and articles - scientific and popular - on both technical and social aspects.
The intent would then, also, would be that this information be available open source so everyone everywhere can kickstart / accelerate their own projects. Ideally, it would be good if information was easily extractable so people can convince governments, business, philanthropists, etc why these activities are so important. It would be good if the information was of useful for individuals landholders who do not have a local regeneration group available.
I’m extremely keen to start on this and also have recently been introduced to a new tech friend in the US who could feed in advice and thoughts.
I know it’s an impossible question but how much money would we need to start to build a really basic first attempt trial model that we could iterate from? @Kieara_Gunn has friends from Kiss the Ground who are interested in fundraising for this.
Thank you @William! I’m really hopeful working as a platform coop in a collaborative commons way will turn out to be a solid and sustainable approach.
Yes I have heard of those 2 projects. We are of course in the same ecosystem, but ours is more on the distribution of food while those are more focused on production. But excellent projects of course both of them!
Hey Gien!
Actually I work close with Cynthia Reynolds in maintaining the Scandinavian instance of OFN! 
I will invite her over here, she will find this project amazing and she’s a great resource.
Right Arm! 
There’s a number of blockchain developers who came out to the hackathon and are keen to participate with their skills.
I’m also working separately with another two groups for the last few years, that Olivier is aware of. One is developing blockchain for natural resources and the other, for global collaboration. We can converge this hydrological restoration / hydrological restoration / agroforestry food production project. It definitely has to be an open source platform to mobilize a massive.collective action campaign.
You know the story of the 3 blind men and the elephant? The hydrological cycle, agroforestry, food production, permaculture, land restoration…these are all just different parts of the same elephant.
How much money do we need,Cindy? I think you miss the point of this whole hackathon exercise! Maybe I haven’t articulated clearly enough the radical idea I am proposing with the hackathon…We are trying to demonstrate that we can do many things we though were impossible without funding. This requires some understanding of the massive potential that lay in massive networks. It’ requires enough of us recognize this potential. If not enough people recognize the potential, it won’t happen.
I’m going to upload my presentation here that I made for Open Hack Sweden yesterday. That will explain FULLY the vision. If you don’t understand after going through the powerpoint, I can present to you and explain. Quite simply though, it is the idea that by having massive online collaboration, we can bypass a large amount of financial capital and go straight to human capital. It’s the open source methodology, but framed slightly differently. The BIGGEST misconception of Open Source is that it’s “free”. But that’s because we keep comparing it the dominant capitalist narrative in which money is the de facto standard of value. Open Source is just another way to achieve the same result, but without financial capital. If enough people believe in an idea, they will contribute their human capital.
By the way, BIG thanks to David @DavidOH, for the opportunity to address all your Swedish colleagues at the university yesterday! Actually this is rev 3 of the prez, not prez 2 that I presented. I added one more slide…slide 36 to show how Dr. Roberto Valenti’s “Karma” can be used to compensate people using blockchain, as well as Envienta’s already existing platform on digital collaboration network…the user interface, of which @Gabor has already mostly finished. Everyone has valuable bits and pieces to the puzzle, but nobody has the entire puzzle pieces assembled into a coherent framework that can gamify saving humanity via a citizen-centric MOOCC approach.
SRG’s vision is to provide an open solidarity framework for innovators all over the world…to create a global governance structure along with a solidarity network of innovation / peer production hubs around the planet.
See the presentation I presented to Open Hack below to understand how we can create MOOCC (Massive Open Online Citizen Collaboration) platform. We are pushing the limits of Open Source. Try to imagine what Massive really means…there can be thousands or millions of highly skilled people contributing. That’s what Massive means. Once you reach that level of Open Source, you will hit a nonlinearity that will change the entire economic system…turning it from the competitive MEconomy to the collaborative WEconomy.
We have to create a new platform so that ALL solidarity partners coming into it are equal. The only way I can see this happening democratically is if we all vote on making a new neutral brand whose name convey s the global transformative intent so that no one existing brand can dominate.
If you look at the presentation, this is a evidence-based, ecologically based platform that can gamify saving humanity…but in a practical, collective action campaign involving every local action contributing in a measurable way.
openhack-srg-rev3.pptx (4.5 MB)
Wow really impressive @Gien. My apologies for not being across it all, it’s been a busy week since we met, I’m still playing catch up. The hackathons I’ve done before haven’t been so advanced in their thinking. Yours is just terrific.
Re: funding, many people around me need dollars before they can commit significant time windows because they’ve exhausted their and their family’s capacity. I do understand your assessment that there are lots of others globally who can team onto these projects and that together we can transform what is possible. Definitely I’m keen to work collaboratively to help build a tool to enable people expedite, accelerate and scale land and water regeneration/restoration.
One possible next step is this. Cape Town local @Kieara is keen to co-initiate a community based land and water restoration project in West Cape. She is meeting with her friend Gunter Pauli tomorrow. Kieara and I have been discussing how an embryonic version of this knowledge sharing hub we’re discussing might be able to help inform and enable the on the ground project. She’s going to discuss this with Gunter and we’re interested to find out if he would like to become involved and/or support. Would you be interested in collaborating to produce a paragraph or dot point to pitch for his possible involvement?
Hey Cindy! Sure!
“Re: funding, many people around me need dollars before they can commit significant time windows because they’ve exhausted their and their family’s capacity.”
I know this situation, many people know it. It’s because we are working in isolated silos. We don’t have capital. Large corporations have capital by virtue of playing the rules of the game of capitalism. So such people are always marginalized by the mainstream system. Working within the capitalist paradigm (for want of a better word) in SILOS all but guarantees ones exhaustion. The odds are stacked against an isolated altruistic group ever able to scale. We burn through our own limited capital and exhaust our families as well. Can crowdfunding work? Sure, but it’s still driven mostly still by mainstream ME-centrism of competition. If we want to build a positive sum game where we can ALL win together, we can’t do that alone.
What we need to do is demonstrate some early wins. This hackathon has a good spread of projects…some small, some medium, some large. If we can get some early wins on the smaller projects…we can start to have confidence we are doing something different. That’s why it’s in ALL our interest to support as many projects as possible here…either by directly engaging or referring others who can. We are doing it for WE!
So of course, those people who have been burned so badly cannot fully participate. They have to work within the current paradigm and earn financial capital. But for others who do have some buffer, it’s a way to start building a system that can create a new positive sum paradigm for all, albeit in a pragmatic manner that does NOT burn you out.
@Gien I can create capacity myself, if I rearrange and realign some projects and priorities.
So what are the rules here. Can we take this idea to Gunter to invite his advice and involvement or do we need some sort of consensus from the people in this thread. How does it work?
Show your colleagues the presentation. Take them through it. Or if you want me to, host a skype session and I’ll do it, just like I did with Open Hack. People need to see why we’ve been doing it wrong and what we must do to do it right. Nobody wants to burn out, and people already have. We have to undestand WHY we burned out. To do that, we need to look at the larger systemic constraints.
We have to give your burned out colleagues renewed hope. We have to re-inspire them. So even if they are still accumulating catch up capital, at least they can unpack why their efforts did not succeed…see the limitation of the approach. I’ve been there, done that…like everyone else.
Another way of looking at this strategy is as an expansion of a community to find many other global communities like itself. In authentic, caring communities, financial capital is not nearly as important as human capital. Take the community of your family. When was the last time your partner asked you to fork up money when they cooked a meal for you? We don’t have much need in close communities because there’s social capital. So in the big ol world, this is the missing element. It’s full of strangers. But a MOOCC platform introduces like minds to each other. I can know rapidly develop trust with you and I haven’t even met you! That’s because we can ascertain the type of person by the way others communicate and their reputation currency. So I would already treat you like a close friend and extend to you the benefits of friends…even though we haven’t met.
That’s the power of a network where we can rapidly establish social capital through reputation currency and direct dialogue. That kind of TRUSTING MOOCC with very high social capital is what differentiates it.
The more we help co-design critical technologies, systems, behavioral patterns, the more designs EACH OF US have access to, which allow us to go into production locally and sell into our local market. Each innoation hub can become self-sufficient quite rapidly if we all pitch in. I’m open sourcing all the tech I’m building for our open source circular ecohome. I want to build a local Cape Town Innoation / Peer Production cooperative here and go into production and work as a cooperative to show this can be done. If we start become successful in producing a variety of solutions, then sharing those designs with you, you can go into local production in your own innovation and production cooperative. We’re trying to feed all of us innovators, but by massive collaboration leading to robust designs.
Thanks @Gien, I’m well and truly completely convinced. And greatly appreciative.
My colleagues are all committed, but I’m keen to advance co-creating a knowledge sharing hub.
I’d appreciate your guidance on what my obligations, commitments and responsibilities into this project thread are. Do I need a consensus decision from people in this thread before Kieara and I pitch to Gunter tomorrow?
Hi everyone,
I’m a PhD student at TU/e in the Netherlands. I’m an urban planner turned design researcher in Industrial Design. My PhD looks at the design of citymaking platforms that empower citizens, and specifically at the potential for platforms of various kinds to foster stronger place-identity relations.
So, in this hack, what I’m really interested in, is looking at how we can use play and games, as particularly interactive and appropriative media, for generating empathy and spatial relatedness amongst players. In other words, how can we design playful platforms that facilitate meaningfulness and caring, and connect people to urban issues that they’re geographically removed from.
All ideas and collaborations are welcome!
Here’s a link to this hack: World Without Water_Day Zero
@sigmundpetersen it might sound a bit pedantic but being in the same ecosystem means - errrr um - you are in the same ecosystem!
If you feel any disconnect perhaps that’s because the connections have yet to be made visible but they are there for sure.
Would anyone here mind if my friend Kieara broaches this project with her friend, Cape Town based, global sustainability legend, Gunter Pauli of www.zeri.org and www.theblueeconomy.org ?
We’re wondering if there is any chance he might be interested in supporting us in some way.
Thanks heaps. Apologies that I’m not fully across how all this works yet
@William yes of course you are correct! I indeed hope for synergies to emerge in the future, but for the time being our interfaces are too distant to connect.
@Cindy please don’t feel humbled or honoured - I’m just a dreamer.
You mention 10,000 - that is a really important number to me - it’s 10,000 years ago that we strayed from the path of sustainability after around 200,000 years of living in (mostly) egalitarian and sustainable balance with others and with the ecosystem.
We have (in my opinion) a lot to learn from our forebears. The hunter gatherer ethos is my touchstone on how to live. Not that we can still hunt and gather but that we can be fiercely egalitarian and we can relearn how we used to behave to each other, towards braggarts and their greed and to the air, soil and water that we need to live. Destroy any one of those last three and we destroy ourselves.
Which looks very like what we seem intent on.
My touchstones in text.
How Hunter-Gatherers Maintained Their Egalitarian Ways - https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/freedom-learn/201105/how-hunter-gatherers-maintained-their-egalitarian-ways
and
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/07/hunter-gatherers-modern-economy/534522/
and
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23631462-700-the-real-roots-of-early-city-states-may-rip-up-the-textbooks/
